JAMAR PINKNEY Jr. - 15 yo - Highland Park IL

I am not implying that he was murdered for money and I have no issue with the policy being in place anyway. I stated this in my post because it was such a small amount it was nothing out of the normal. My issue was with the fact that the girlfriend called the insurance agent the same day trying to collect on the policy. First of all anyone would have to be stupid to think that an insurance company would pay off in that situation and secondly when the prosecutor asked the agent who would be the beneficiary of the policy if Jamar sr were dead it was the girlfriend. I do not think anyone in their right mind would believe that she would be the one the one paying for a funeral. Jamar Jr allegedly molested the younger child in turn being murdered by his father and the girlfriends first thought is to call the insurance agent (not the day after or week after but on the same day he was killed) to try and collect. I am sorry but I really can not empathize with the father I just can't understand how he could look his son in the eyes and shoot him point blank in the face killing him. His son was pleading and begging for forgiveness, as a father he should have let justice in the court room prevail. It would have been much more beneficial to everyone involved.
I would also like to point out that children who committ sexual offenses are not "born this way" sexual predation is a learned behavior. If this boy committed sex crimes against his sister I would bet 1 million dollars that I don't have that he either was a) sexually abused himself or b) witnessed sexual abuse. Either way his abuser will never recieve the justice they deserve because of the events that transpired. I am in no way defending sexual abuse but I do have a different way of looking at things when the predators are children. I also find it suspicious that the sexual abuse evidence was not present until the day after the killing. People can say what they want about the ER doctor the mother mentioned that he had been practicing medicine for "only 16 years". 16 years in any field is nothing to scoff at. This little girl was brought to the ER for the purpose of a sexual abuse exam not because she was sick etc. I do have confidence that a doctor of 16 years would know what to look for in trying to prove or disprove pentration of some sort. Furthermore it was never proved that the boy was sexually abusing his sister. I know people are going to say he admitted to it. However, there are different versions of his so called confession and it is well known that children will cave and confess to things even if they didn't do it when they are under intense pressure, scared, believe that confession (even false) will make things easier, covering for someone etc.......If this were not true then law enforcement would be able to interogate children without parents and/or attorney's present. There have been many crinimal cases were confessions were thrown out of court because law enfrocement did not follow proper protocol while interrogating a child.
I am not down playing the severity of this case at all from any angle. I would be distraught if I found out one of my children had been molested. I still could not imagine killing my own child in cold blood. Jamar Sr. had time to think about his actions. If what I read was true and I understood correctly he didn't rush right over after the phone call and snap killing his son, he waited I believe I read 20 hours passed before he came to "talk" to his son. Why didn't he call law enforcement if he believed his son had done this? The boy's mother obivously felt that something had to be done when she told his dad that it couldn't be swept under the rug. Of course she had no idea he would kill their son. It seems everyone is ready to convict this boy and he is not here to defend the allegations. He is not here because his father felt that it was his duty to remove him from this life.
Please re-read my previous post. It is plainly stated that what I am accusing the girlfriend of is being inhumane and trying to collect off of an insurance policy that she nor the father had a right to. I am explicity stating however that in my opinion Jamar Sr. is guilty of nothing less than murder. You have to be pretty cold and calculating to look your own child in the eye while he is begging and pleading with you and still pull the trigger and take his life. As serious as sexual allegations are do not let them cloud the fact of the crime the accussed is on trial for. I can not imagine being in the same situation but I can tell you one thing there is no way in HELL that I could kill my own child in cold blood.

Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES do I condone the shooting of Pinkney Jr. REPEAT I DO NOT SUPPORT Pinkney Jr. being executed by his father or anyone else. However, there seems to be a gross oversight in the age difference that existed between a 15 year old molesting a 3 year old. He was a teenage boy not a child as he is depicted here by other writers as if he were a 5 or7 year old clueless kid. Regardless of whether there was penetration or dry humping, it is very disturbing that a teenage boy would be experimenting with a baby and call it a "kids mistake" as a previous blogger did when referring to Pinkney Jr. I agree with our current writer that we will never know where this behavior came from, for it is known that often times sexual molesters are not born but made and were victims themselves or had witnessed victimization. Questions for his mother to ponder.... Although the loss of a child under such violent circumstances eclipses whatever other issues may have been there.
I am also annoyed that because the ER doctor practiced for 16 years he provided poor patient care. It's a mute point!. A doctor of 16 or 46 years can miss important information, I am well acquainted with the medical field to know so and mal practice by a physician is harder to prove than insanity because the medical field can insulate its own! More important is the fact that he was an ER doctor not a pediatric specialist who may or may not have known what to look for in the genitalia of a baby toddler who was sexually traumatized. By the way have you ever been in an ER room. It is not like on TV. It is a setting specifically designed to patch you up, spit you out so as to make room to stabilize the critically ill or dying.
One has to wonder where the tears in this toddler genitalia came from? The belief of a son molesting his sister would speak to this father acting so murderous, even 20 hours later. Sometimes people stew before they murder. either way many lives were lost here Pinkney Jr, was given a death sentence leaving his mom with perhaps guilt that she bought the father into the situation that led to his death at dads hands. The toddler lost her innocence and who knows what long term repercussions will come of this and Pinkney Sr. lost his soul as he murdered his boy. This is truly a tragic situation for all involved.

I agree with what you have said Lourdes. I would also like to point out that I am still watching this trial on In Session an I do have to cry foul on the part of the mother who posted (Kaivey). She has told some out right lies regarding the ER doctors testimony. One of which is that he ever mentioned her in his testimony. He did say that he does not recall them in the ER that night. But he is also reading from the charts which state as he testified that the dr spoke with the father (Jamar Sr.) not the mother as she says he testified. The testimony regarding the vestibular (srry do not want to mess up spelling) he does not really say there are two parts, the judge interprets it that way. He says that the diagram presented does not accurately dipict the entire area as the arrow is only pointing to one particular spot instead of the entire area. He also states in beginning testimony that he sees on average 3-4 children a month regarding sexual abuse. I do realize that dr's make mistakes as well however it seems to me that this dr would know what to look for regarding sexual abuse, he testifies from the chart that he told the father it was possible that touching could have happened but there were no signs of penetration (i.e. tearing). It seems to me that a dr who sees children regarding sexual abuse on a much too frequent basis (as 1 child is too frequent) that he would be able to identify tearing if present. He also stated from the chart that the father stated that nothing physical had been seen before. I would like to know why if these people had such a lack of confidence in the ER why did they not go to their pediatrician to start with? I have not read a reasoning. I just find it wierd that a laceration was found the day after the killing (in my opinion the trip to peditrician was made because of the killing as from what I have read there were no concerns expressed regarding the ER dr exam until after the killing. I read in one article that the 3 yr olds mother told Jamar jr's mother that nothing was found and there was no mention of concern about this diagnosis. Regardless however Jamar Jr was still a child (even at 15) this does not excuse the fact that if he did something he knew it was wrong but I still stand by the fact that this is a learned behavior. The sexual abuse allegations are very serious. However, they still were not proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. I would venture to say that that from the testimony I am witnessing that if a trial were held right now that Jamar Jr would be found not guilty. Regardless of his age I am 100% positive that his alledged confession does not hold any weight because of the reasons stated in my previous post regarding child confessions. It seems to me however that everyone wants to focus on whether or not Jamar Jr was guilty this is a moot point. As the "defendent" is not here to defend himself. This case is not about convicting Jamar jr for sexual abuse but rather determining an outcome for punishment for the killing of Jamar Jr. So far watching the coverage of the trial and everything I have read I still say it takes someone very cold hearted to do what Jamar Sr has done.

Lourdes I would also like to ask where you see in this forum that someone wrote that the alleged sexual abuse regarding the 3 yr old and Jamar jr as being referred to as a "kid's mistake" as you have quoted?

My 2 cents:
Having watched ( and I guess it will continue into next week ) the testimony in this trial I have some observations.
~ The boy did "something". An ER doc just commented that "not always" are there "visible" signs of rape...or "penetration of the hymen". The boy did something. He admitted it, the little girl indicated it both verbally and physically.
~ Jamar Sr was way overboard in his reaction to this and didn't stand a chance on the "moment of passion" defense. I feel he's the type of guy who keeps bad things bottled up inside and this was the "last straw" for his son. I would be willing to bet that this was not the first time that he had big trouble with his young son. Very little has come out about the prior relationship between the two. Nonetheless, his "over the top" reaction was unnecessary. More peaceful endings could have happened.
~ This is sad. Many lives have been changed, deeply, dramatically and permanently because of what happened last November. In my mind, they are all victims.

Greetings ttsmom, In response to the comment that "kids make mistakes", it was not on this site and I do apologize for that error on my part. As I originally mentioned I had never heard of this case before and was horrified and saddened by a fathers execution of his son. In an attempt to gather as much detail as possible I have since read a lot of information as well as varying opinions all over the internet (which I realize can be a problem) . I really appreciate you sharing your information as it sheds light on details regarding the medical state of the toddler and TIMING which is interesting to say the least. I still believe that mistakes can be made medically I have witnessed it first hand with seasoned doctors, with stellar reputations and years of experience as well as novices in the field (by the way 16 years is no novice). However, sexual trauma of young children is particularly delicate and it really takes a doctor who SPECIALIZES in this area so that at least there is less risk of human error although nothing is risk free . That aside, as these are legal proceedings each expert will stand by what they said. Most important however is the time line you have laid out in your response, I now have to seriously question the integrity of statements made as to when and what type of injury was discovered on the baby. Thus, what you mentioned cannot be ignored.
Having said that the bottom line is that you are RIGHT!!!, we SHOULD NOT lose sight that Pinkney senior is on trial for murdering his son!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. The price of taking his sons life is that now his freedom is gone. Perhaps we will never know all of the details in this case for after all only the people involved in this tragedy know each others history , their trigger points and the complexities of what exist in all families and what we call human behavior. But the FACT REMAINS that Pinkney Jr. death is a devastating loss for his mom, family and his community. I will sign off now by saying that while this case occurred sometime ago, it awakens the passion in anyone who has a heart and cares about children. I appreciate having a forum to express, exchange information and keep alive the unified sentiment that the death of Pinkney Jr. IS NOT CONDONED. I have and will continue to pray for the many affected in this family. My thanks to all of you for sharing your information. God Bless and hold your children close to your hearts. They are our greatest treasures!!!!

There are some family dynamics going on here that are not being discussed. "Poison Ivy" stated "that because she had all girls, she never allowed any boys around them", but yet to show that she had no ill feelings for Jamar Jr., she claims to having had him over frequently for "Nachos", long hours of video game playing between him and his father, J. Sr., and other good times. The two statements are contradictory. She also stated that Jamar Sr. had chosen a good school for Jamar Jr. and was providing for his transport to and from that school. Jamar Sr. had a good job with the postal service and other lucrative venues, therefore he was the "Top Dog". I can imagine there was some "butt kissing" of this man from Monique Cherry and her family. Why else would she have him up all night cajoleing him to confess and calling his father at 3:AM to beg his forgiveness after no results had been found via the ER exam? Monique Cherry did not want to be cut off from the benefits and it backfired!! As for "Poison Ivy" the new or current woman always wants to feel superior to the Ex-woman. She want all the attention, loyalty, time and money expended solely for her and her's. I reasonably believe that after she demanded of Jamar Sr. that he "Do something about his son, and dont come back till you do"(reason he had to go and spend the night with his grandmother, who also hinted that Jamar Jr. was not allowed at "Poison Ivy's house), to further damage that relationship between the father and son, caused injury to her own little girl that was found two days latter. THAT'S WHY YOU HAD SO MANY ATTEMPTS,(how hard is it to get any office with today's phone technology), ON MONDAY MORNING, TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT BY "pOISON iVY", WHO WAS SO "DISTRAUT" ABOUT HER DAUGHTER and would not take her in to see the doctor the very next day regardless of what was going on,(she was worried about that being detected, her pediatrician did say that the lasceration was healing but according to the facts of when it happened it should have been more healed). So I say today Jamar Sr. is sitting there looking so detatched because he is wondering how he has let these two women play him to the point of taking his own son's life when Monique may have pressured a confession out of Jamar Jr. for her own purposes and Ivy had her own agenda, CONTROL! So Sad!!!!!!!

@ Zinteacher- Gave me something to think about. RIP Jamar Jr.

this incident is really sad, my heart goes out to the mother of jamar jr, the loss of a child is hard but God sees u and will take care of u... when we date men with children we should accept them as our own not have jealous feelings for them. I'm sorry for whatever happened to the little girl but it does not justify that man killing his son, as a mother myself i just feel like the situation could have been handled better, if he did call the mother of the little girl and say that "he handled that", she should feel ashamed and know that she has to face God one day for her part in this killing. How can u sleep at night knowing that u did nothing to offset what that man was abot to do, may God have mercy on both of ur souls, and remember "YOU REAP THE SEEDS THAT YOU SOW!!!!!!!

HE DESERVES TO SPEND THE REST OF HIS NATURAL LIFE IN JAIL . THE MOTHER OF THE LITTLE GIRL STILL LOST NOW WHO ARE U GONNA BE JEALOUS OF, ONE OF HIS CELL MATES, U IGNITED THAT FIRE MORE, AND YOU KNOW IT, YOU HAD ALOT OF CONTROL, WHY YOU DID'NT USE IT WAS YOUR WAY OF GETTING SATISFACTION!!!! ARE YOU HAPPY NOW, DID IT MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE HE LOVED YOUR DAUGHTER MORE, IS THAT WHAT U NEEDED TO KNOW,,, SAD SAD SAD, REALLY SAD, HOPE YOU CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR SOME PART OF THIS HORRIBLE SITUATION.....

I am not here to bash anyone, but after just watching In Session, I have to believe that Jamar Sr. is the cold person many said he was. My son was molested by another child and I wanted justice, especially since my son is "slow" I could never bring myself to kill. I have to wonder about several points. The first being that it was about 1:00am and 3:00 am when Jr. "made he's confession". I am wondering if this child was questioned to the point of just saying what he felt people wanted to hear. I have seen this many times in children. It don't have to be something good that they admit to. If they feel that the adult wants to hear it, then they say it. Second problem I have is that it was said that Jr. penetrated the little girl. If he really did than the hymen would be broken and it was not. Third the ER doc said there was not trauma to the area. I believe the ER doc. I work in the ER and those docs see more then there share of vaginal lacerations and the like. To me it is possible that the alleged laceration occurred in that seven day window between the ER and regular doctors visit. It is very possible that the mom unknowingly caused the laceration while searching for evidence. Or it could be that the little girl scratched herself. Fourth the auntie could be lying. She could have told the little girl what to say. I know this sounds wrong and upsetting but if you work in the setting I do, nothing can be put past anyone. Too many people have come my way with just fantastic stories of abuse, they have the tears and even scars. But when the truth is out none of it was real. At any cost, Jr. should have been put in therapy. If he did do this it don't always mean that he will become a molester or a rapist, after all he was in a stage of development that the teen becomes sexually curious. Anywoo, it was not up to Sr. to take his life. Sr. was afforded a trial that his son would never get. I pray for all involved and hope people will "look before leaping" .

Can somebody please clarify why there was a different spelling of the last name of the victim/defendant on the back of the "Jets" jersey that Cherry wore for her testimony?
In the beginning of this case there was some confusion about the spelling as well.
The jersey was "Pinckney Jr." and I distinctly remember that being in one of the first releases and was subsequently changed to the "Pinkney" we are now familiar with....

TomTerrific0420 wrote:Can somebody please clarify why there was a different spelling of the last name of the victim/defendant on the back of the "Jets" jersey that Cherry wore for her testimony?
In the beginning of this case there was some confusion about the spelling as well.
The jersey was "Pinckney Jr." and I distinctly remember that being in one of the first releases and was subsequently changed to the "Pinkney" we are now familiar with....

I've just done a search and initially all the media seemed to use Pinckney. All the opinions here are very interesting. I agree with you Tom. Personally I feel that Jamar Jr must be presumed innocent of doing anything - regardless of any confession or disputed medical opinions - because he was murdered and so cannot be given the opportunity to speak. That's why what Jamar Sr did is so wrong. Not only is his son dead, he is going to be forever remembered as a child molester. Convicted anyway.

This is for the mother of the little girl that was molested, while i feel bad for what your child has gone though, the whole time i watched insession i listened to you outside the courtroom and to me it seemed like you didnt care that jamar jr was dead... u seemed more upset that all the attention was focused on jamar jr and that is so sad because in spite of all that has happened that was still your child's brother and he was taken from his mother in the most horrific way possible, but that is something that you and his executioner have to live with, I hope and pray that jamar sr. never makes it out of jail, he needs to rot there...

there are no winners in this sad story. A 3-year-old being violated is never easy to hear. The saddest part though is that Jamar Jr will never have a chance to tell anyone what really happened. By all accounts that I have read this was not a boy who was a troublemaker. Sounds like he did well in school, liked sports and was well thought of by those around him. Jamar made a grave mistake and his father became his judge, jury and executioner. What could Jamar have gone on to do in life if given the chance at redemption? I'm sad to read that people really believe that once a juvenile sex offender commits an act such as this they are doomed to repeat it. Not with education, counseling and support. I should know. My 13-year-old son was arrested for having inappropriate contact with a couple of my grandchildren. He was sent to a residential treatment center where he received treatment. No he was not abused. Though he was able to access porn on the internet (never leave your child with open access to the computer) Long story but suffice to say that was 2 years ago. He is home, going to school, playing in sports and active in our church. These "kids" should not be tossed away and thrown in with adult pedophiles. I never once wanted to beat, strip naked and shoot my son. I wanted him to have a chance because I knew what he was really like inside...I would not allow this act to determine who he would be..